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  Andrew

  2 years ago

  Hi Jonathan,
  
  Excellent article. I have been wondering about these Diksha people and if it's any good. Plenty of people say good things about it, but when I heard about the guaranteed enlightenment for US$5500 red flags popped up.
  
  From what I gather all spiritual teachers and organisations have dark secrets, bitter ex-members and blinded devotees. Robert Adams lived with Ramana Maharshi and Yogananda and said that even they treated some disciples in unspeakable ways.
  
  So I think I'll have to do what you did and try it out for myself sometime.
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  John Christian

  2 years ago

  Bullshit. No one and i mean no one promises enlightenment especially by going to India. There is only one reason for going there and that is to learn to GIVE Deeksha. To recieve it its a 15 to 20 dollar donation and often involves multiple Deekshas and very little effort. Facts...look them up please.
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  Jonathan

  2 years ago

  Hi John,
  I gather you're comment is in reply to Andrew's one?
  In regards to "no one promising enlightenment", are you making this statement purely within regards to Deeksha and the Oneness Movement? Assuming you are, I will say that I have heard and read people saying that doing the 21 day Deeksha process will result in the participant being enlightened (either immediately, or over some time later if they have deeper karmas and issues to work through first). I've also seen it publicised that receiving Deeksha (not necessarily just once) will not only facilitate a person reaching an enlightened state but will even take them "beyond enlightenment"...and this is just here within the small community of New Zealand.
  
  You suggest I look at the facts? Actually I don't think we are dealing with facts here. In my experience, what we are dealing with is the comments, fantasies, desires, hopes, and wishful thinking of a wide range of people promoting, receiving, seeking, supporting, and even falling out with, the Oneness/Deeksha Movement.
  
  Be well.
  
  Jonathan
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  John Christian

  2 years ago

  I thank you for the kind response and yes i was only answering the enlightened angle from the oneness movement. Others do profess the ability to "enlighten". Bhagwan says that we are ALREADY enlightened only this thought that we are not holds us back from the experience. I have never heard from anyone of any importance talk like you suggest and in fact they seem somewhat reluctant to speak of it as to not add more concepts. If you would like the "other" side to the Freddie story why not read Anadagiri's response to at least get a balance. Unless that was not what was wanted.
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  John Christian

  2 years ago

  Oh btw i do not mean to suggest that they dont claim to help one to get this enlightenment just not at any given time. And thier explanation of how they achieve this is quite detailed. But the bottom line is one through grace loses thier seperate sence of identity and gains a functional state of "enlightenmet" or what ever one wants to call it. Thanks again
  John
  PS I do apologize for the "bullshit" comment.
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  Jonathan

  2 years ago

  John,
  I shall do a search for Anadagiri's response online.
  In my experience, a quick search on Google turns up quite a lot of Oneness Movement / Deeksha related material that states things along the lines of what I have mentioned already (i.e. that doing the 21-day process etc will enlighten the participant, and that sort of thing). I accept that this may or may not be the way Bhagwan presents the work he is doing --- that this may just be the way many potentially over zealous followers present the work he is doing.
  
  I wish you all the best this moment has to offer.
  
  With love,
  Jonathan
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  Jonathan

  2 years ago

  Understood.
  ... and apology accepted. :-)
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  Jonathan

  2 years ago

  I wish to make it quite clear I am not "against" the Deeksha / Oneness Movement. I am not "for" it either. My suggestion is if people feel attracted to it then they may like to try it out. My exploration here is simply one of looking at various potential issues that might exist within the movement, or at least surround it.
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  Jonathan

  2 years ago

  John, I was not able to find any info relating to "Anadagiri's response" to "the Freddie story". Can you post a link to this here?
  
  Thanks,
  
  Jonathan
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  Andrew Sanderson

  2 years ago

  I recently met a very clairvoyant man who told me what he saw happens during Deeksha. He saw that energy is taken from the 1st and 2nd chakras and sent to some beings who are off this planet. Then about 98% of the energy is returned to the crown chakra of the recipient. The other beings keep the 2% for themselves.
  
  I'm not saying that this is what happens, I'm just telling you what he told me...
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